Earlier today, President Obama speaking in Turkey, made the following statements:
“…the United States and Turkey can send a powerful message to the world through their friendship. …that Turkey and the United States can build a model partnership in which a predominantly Christian nation, a predominantly Muslim nation — a Western nation and a nation that straddles two continents … that we can create a modern international community that is respectful, that is secure, that is prosperous, that there are not tensions — inevitable tensions between cultures — which I think is extraordinarily important.”
President Obama also said:
that “one of the great strengths of the United States is that it does not consider itself a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values. I think modern Turkey was founded with a similar set of principles.” (CNN)
In one statement he refers to the United States as a predominantly Christian nation, in another he says the United States does not consider itself a Christian nation.
Do either of these statements actually matter? A person is not saved or banished to hell based on what country they live in, but on whether that individual has accepted the forgiveness of God paid for through Jesus Christ with His shed blood on the cross. A person does not realize victory over hell and the grave without Jesus’ resurrection from the dead, it has nothing to do with what nation that person lives in.
The majority of the founding fathers of the United States were Christian, but one of their reasons for wanting to separate from England was for religious freedom and no government ordained religion or church. That religious freedom has brought us today to a nation that is made up of people of many faiths and religious practices.
There is still a majority (68.3%) of adults in the United States who identify themselves as Christian. From the Pew Research Center:
- Evangelical Protestant Churches 26.3%
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Mainline Protestant Churches 18.1%
- Catholic 23.9% (Visit the Pew Research Center for complete list)
So while Tony Perkins (family research council) and Mike Huckabee (I still love Governor Huckabee, but I suspect he will be putting out a statement about this as well) are undoubtedly sharpening up their press releases full of shock at President Obama’s statement that the U.S. is not a Christian nation, I have two questions:
- Is what President Obama said all that shocking? Any Christian that has been paying even a little bit of attention should know that as a nation, we have been moving farther away from the God of the Bible; not just in our government but in every aspect of our society.
- Should we be spending our energy in beating him up for his statements (remember, in one statement the President did refer to us as a “predominantly Christian nation”), or should we be renewing our efforts in making sure that everyone hears the Truth that Jesus Christ is the only Way, the only Truth and the only Life. Only through His blood on the cross and His resurrection from the dead can a person be saved.
I could be wrong, but the President’s statement today sounds like one that will bring out all kinds of outrage from religious leaders in this country, but I wonder how useful that outrage really will be and if it’s really where we should be focusing.
OneMom
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NewCre8un // April 6, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I think Obama should have said “No longer a Christian nation.” Which is true and the reason the United States will no longer be a mighty nation. The US has been blessed amoung other nations in the world due to our faith in Jesus Christ and our blessing Israel, Gods chosen. Things in the US are going to change. But the change thats coming will not be the change the world thinks. But change for the worse for those who are not under the blood of Christ. I feel sorry for this nation.
bluto // April 6, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Question for NewCre8un, if Germans slaughtered 6 million Jews and millions of others, why did God bless them with such prosperity after the war? Before the war, public displays of anti-antisemitism were not taboo in US (Henry Ford, Walt Disney) and US did just fine. Why does God bless atheist Japanese?
Dominique // April 7, 2009 at 12:31 am
I am currently reading the book, unChristian. It is a 3 year study of Christians/Christianity commissioned by the Fermi Project and the Barna Group. In it they discover that out of the 73% of those who call themselves Christians, only about 20 percent believe in Christ.
If you take Obama’s comment in context to this study, he is right. We are not a predominantly Christian nation anymore – we are not a Christ following nation.
As far as the two juxtaposed statements that seems to be par for the course with him lately.
For me, personally, his comments don’t strike a huge cord of indignation. What does trouble me, however, is that Obama has stated in the past that he is a Christian and yet the “fruit” of his life says anything but that.
When he goes out into the world on behalf of America, he is seen as a representative of America. That is a picture that troubles me because it is not accurate, and to be honest, I think quite deceptive. He is not the kind of “christian” that I strive to be/become and his values and principles do not emulate mine in any stretch of the imagination.
You know…sometimes I think Christians really over-react. Like today on Hannity (Monday). He was talking about how he wouldn’t let his 16 year old daughter pierce her ears. I just shook my head and thought, “Why is that such a “bad” issue for some Christian parents?” How is that such an over-riding issue in light of the many other serious issues a parent deals with in regards to their children like drugs, sex, self-worth, integrity, character, etc?
Anyway, I digress. You are right. President Obama’s comments will only serve to side-track Christians from the many important things we need to keep an eye on at this time in our history. Sometimes, I wonder if that isn’t the reason he says things like this – to distract us.
wickle // April 7, 2009 at 12:46 am
Mostly, I could say “Ditto what Dominique said,” because she got most of what I was going to say …
As for the US being a predominantly Christian nation now, I often use the example of the nearest Barnes and Noble book store. To get to the small section of “Christian inspiration,” which covers just about everything remotely Christian, I have to pass the huge aisle of “Romance,” the covers of which I won’t describe …
Granted, this is NH, which came in next to last for religious belief in that survey, if I remember correctly, but I suspect that the pattern holds.
I think there’s plenty of real stuff over which we should pursue Obama. If we try to chase him down for every word he utters, then we just look like raving anti-Obama nuts. I’d let this one go, too.
LarryJackson // April 7, 2009 at 7:14 am
There are plenty of things to go after President Obama for without nitpicking every word he says, so I would have to agree with Wickle and Dominique. That being said, it does seem like he is going out of his way to “apologize” for America’s past transgressions and to make mention of the fact that we are not necessarily a “Christian” nation. It makes me think he isn’t exactly as proud of America as he lets on to be.
justelise // April 7, 2009 at 7:45 am
Actually your facts are wrong. The founding fathers of this nation were not Christian. They were Deists or Unitarians, and they didn’t believe in the superstitious/supernatural aspects of Christianity:
http://web.wm.edu/news/archive/index.php?id=6083
There is enormous documentation of this fact, and we separated from England to preserve the freedom of anyone to practice what they wanted to, not specifically for the freedom to practice Christianity.
Thomas Jefferson went so far as to edit all of the supernatural elements out of the New Testament because he didn’t believe in it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
It’s ironic that Jefferson became President as a non-Christian back then, but now we have a Christian president who is getting run through the wringer when he acknowledges the truth about our nation’s non-Christian heritage.
The founding fathers, though they believed in a creator god, did not subscribe to the Trinity, etc. It’s sad to see how many Americans don’t know their history.
Furthermore, all of the Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism) are on the decline worldwide. It may be more obvious in the U.S. right now, because the decline began much earlier in parts of Europe.
onemom // April 7, 2009 at 9:44 am
Justelise ….
My facts aren’t wrong. I didn’t say they were ALL Christians. (Founding Fathers Religion) Also, that was hardly the theme of this post.
I also clearly said that one of the reasons they wanted to be independent of England was for religious freedom, not for Christian freedom.
You don’t know me, and you don’t know what I know and don’t know about history, because that’s not the premise of this post. You choose to spin history according to your own belief system (as most people do).
Bottom line, I will not continue this particular conversation, because it is not the premise of this post.
AJs_Dad // April 7, 2009 at 3:25 pm
This was a facinating post for me for two reasons.
One, I am currently reading Mark Levin’s new book “Liberty And Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto”. Last night I read chapter 3 On Faith and The Founding. There are so many points in common and relative to this post that I could almost type the whole chapter in as a response.
Second, this morning (before I read this post) I read an article entitled “God Still Isn’t Dead” on the Wall Street Journal’s website (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123906081768295037.html) which is very relevant to the topic.
While it saddens me to see the United States turn from it’s Judeo-Christian values I know that there is little I can do about it. To quote Ecclesiastes these things are meaningless. What is meaningful is my relationship with God through His son, Jesus, and that I continue the job and tasks that God Himself gives me. If God needs my help fighting His battles He will let me know.
Onemom, if you will please excuse me, however, I would like to point out to Justelise, that it is you who do not know your History. The Founding Fathers were Congregationalist, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Unitarians, and Roman Catholics. Only two, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin declared to be Deists.
Please remember that the colonies were formed by people escaping religious persecution. Consequently, several colonies had distinct religious and denominational characteristics. The Puritans (and later Baptists and Congregationalists) were concentrated in New England, the Quakers in Pennsylvania, the Roman Catholics in Maryland, etc.
I do not wish to take up more of Onemom’s bandwith with this. Perhaps soon I will do a blog post of my own expounding upon this.
onemom // April 7, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Hi AJs Dad – you are free to take up bandwidth! No worries. I left a comment for Justelise earlier as well with a link to the religions of the founding fathers. The book you are reading sounds interesting. I am off to read the WSJ article you linked to, right now.
Frances // April 7, 2009 at 7:44 pm
OK, everyone basically said what I wanted to say (except justelise). I did want to say thank you to AJ’s Dad for mentioning the book and the article. I am always on the look out for good reading material.
Jim Maher // April 8, 2009 at 9:34 am
Jesus Christ, him alone, nothing else. Yes Obama’s comments did hurt, but they made me think. As a nation our value’s have changed (Abortion etc). We have all gone astray and look around. and look where it has gotton us. We are all born sinners & look how that plays out in our relationship with each other (Me, Me, Me,). Jesus Christ in our lives is what saves us and save our nation. We as a nation our dying from within, we are. Just take the courage and look around.
Tracy cheshire // April 8, 2009 at 10:29 am
I cannot believe our President said that the United States was not a nation of Christians but a nation of ideals. He was joking right?
Emily Milas // April 8, 2009 at 11:47 am
I don’t know if I should be insanely angry or fall into the depths of despair. Where does Mr. Obama think “our ideals and our set of values come from?!” Islam? Buddhism? Satanism? Nazism? Communism? All societies have a moral framework. It may embarrass him, but Judeo- Christian beliefs frame our laws and values. It is ironic that he chastises America for being arrogant, when he panders and apologizes for the beliefs and principles that have made us a great. Does he think his simpering attempts at humility and compromise on our behalf will change anything? Despots laugh and despise his weakness. His magical thinking is dangerous and the height of arrogance.
Raymond V Banner // April 8, 2009 at 11:48 am
This blog on “Obama: U.S. Not a Christian Nation.” has, I think, engendered a lot of thoughtful response. I sometimes agree with those who are my opponents or enemies even though our worldviews are completely at odds. So with Obama. I personally think that Obama has more Muslim sympathies than Christian sympathies; that he is also a mixture of communist/socialist/secular humanist/fascist and narcissist.
If this sounds judgmental and contradictory, so be it. The evidence is overwhelming, I think, of the communist/socialist, muslim and secular humanist influences in his heritage and associations. The Trinity United Church of Chicago of which Obama was a member is actually affiliated with the very liberal United Church of Christ, a predominantly white denomination that has long been probably the most apostate
“Christian”? denomination other than the Unitarian/Universalist. Pastor Jeremiah Wright and this church were heavily involved in promoting Black Theology, which frankly is a racist heresy. But yes, I do generally agree with Obama that the United States is not (never has been in a strict sense) a Christian nation and is becoming less so as those on the political and cultural left such as Obama wield more power and influence. I am speculating that you would have dig pretty deeply to find committed Evangelical Christians or devout Roman Catholics with places of influence in the Obama administration.
I generally agree also, with a few minor exceptions, with One Mom,
New CreBun, Dominique, wickle, Larry Jackson, Frances and AJs Dad in their previous posts on this thread. To blutos basic inquiry as to why the wicked or unbelieving prosper, I dare not allow myself to take up more space here in attempting to answer or speculate on this age old question, especially since it is not really the theme of this post.
In response to AJs Dad, I have ordered a copy of LIBERTY AND TYRANNY
by Mark Levin, currently a bestselling book, though that is not the reason I ordered it. So far this year I have been reading more than usual on political and historical themes. Enjoyed reading the scholarly CONSERVATIVE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN LEFT by Daniel J. Flynn; a 1968 biography on Dietrich Bonhoffer, a resister in Nazi Germany; two older books on the history of financial depressions in the western world. Also checked out from a college library and read RULES FOR RADICALS by Saul Alinsky. This radical revolutionary, who dedicated this book to Satan, has had a great deal of influence upon both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and upon community organizations such as ACORN, for which Obama worked for many years. I have survived depression by interspersing reading from books of Christian inspiration,
general biography and history, and nearly daily Bible reading and study.
Thanks ONE MOM for providing the forum. May all the personal pressures on your family get sorted out as time unfolds. God bless each and everyone of you and grant His grace to us and this nation whatever unfolds.
Mark // April 8, 2009 at 1:11 pm
While in India and Nepal on a missions trip two years ago, one of the elders of the Christian community in South India where we had just held two evangelistic concerts to upwards of 80,000 “untouchable” villagers stood up and told us that their people were praying for our nation as it was evident to them on the outside that the US was no longer acting as a Christian nation.
It was most evident to them as they had always been given free entry to our country in the past for trips with a Christian basis. However, of late he stated that our own US State Department was denying them visas if they mentioned the Christian nature of thier visits with other Christian leaders in our country.
And yet, this Christian elder continued to state, Brahmans and other leaders from both Hindu and Muslim faith groups from within India were allowed entry, and apparently even invited to come and setup ashrams, and the like within the US. As this impressive, Christ following, man of God spoke to us after our “great victories” in the two days of evangelistic concerts, it was quite humbling to hear his perspective from outside but in a position of Christian leadership. He said they will continue to pray for our nation and the Christians in our nation. He said there was a time where our nation EXPORTED Christianity, and were looked to by many as a beacon of hope where there was little hope. He said “you are no longer exporting Christianity, much less promoting it from within.”
And from that, I have to agree with facts of Mr. Obama’s statement. I am not saying I rejoice in it, actually I am quite sobered by it and will continue to join our fellow brethen overseas in praying for our nation. Though there is plenty of remnant still left, those in power (and control our policites) are trying to shift us from the values and tenets taht once made us the greatest of nations, albeit for what appears to have been a short season.
Ronnica // April 8, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Totally with you on this one. I must say that I’m a bit relieved for people to recognize that America is not “Christian,” not really. Too often people overseas or even here in America use the equation “American=Christian” thus taking everthing bad about America and putting it onto Christianity. What’s important is the Gospel, like you said, both here and in Turkey (my two favorite countries).
BTW, the story is up. Thanks for your (and your husband’s) input!
http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/04/frankenstein-and-rock-n-roll/
preacherpen // April 8, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I just want to wax far less poetic than most have already. What saddens me is for our president to be allowed the privilege of representing our great nation to the rest of the world. He certainly doesn’t speak for me on this issue.
What he says does matter because the rest of the world looks to him as the head of our country. Kerry said it best when she made it clear a person is not saved based on country of origin; rather, a person is saved through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
Mark Levin was on Hannity recently and discussed his new book. I must get a copy. Thanks for the reminder.
Ann's new friend // April 8, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Obama’s remarks are not heartening news for anyone, though they are hardly surprising. Amazing how many more Muslims are migrating into the Christian west and not the other way around.
Freedom is a particularly Christian idea, based upon the sanctity of the individual created in the image of God. Islam has no comparable ideas — nothing even remotely close. The individual is insignificant in Islam.
Obama is not, of course, a Christian himself so it’s easy for him to talk. “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you,” are not words found in Obama’s Bible.
Fortunately, God is in charge. I think the Abortionist and Chief is a short-timer. Even his supporters must be getting an education watching one gaffe after another. This guy is Carter and it’s deja vue all over again.
We need another Ronald Reagan to clean up the mess four years hence.
fuzislippers // April 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm
While I take your point that this may not be the most significant issue facing mankind (or even Americans), I do think that it’s of vital import. Obama has just done something so untoward and so hypocritical (and not a little crazy) that it warrants the attention that it is receiving.
The idea that we are not a Christian nation is just . . . well, stupid. Of course we are. Just like we are a “white” nation, and a “western” nation, and a “male dominated nation.” Whether we love these things about ourselves or not, they are the truth.
Our founding fathers (all of whom were Christian–which ones do you imagine were not?) wrote that we should have freedom of religion, that we should not have our religious freedoms restricted, and that there should be no state-sponsored religion. They did not say that Christianity is “bad” and should not be a part of our lives or of our country and its government. Separation of church and state simply means that the state cannot formulate its own religion (as was done in England when Henry VIII created the Church of England). It means that we cannot become a theocracy. It does not mean that we can’t belong to religious organizations or that we cannot worship as we wish.
Obama didn’t put his hand on the Bill of Rights or on the Constitution or on the Communist Manifesto; Obama put his hand on the Bible in January and swore to protect and defend this nation. The Bible. Not a book of law, but the Book that this country recognizes as being of religious and (obviously) political significance. Denying our history and culture, Obama has done a huge disservice to us as Americans, and it’s more than worthy of our notice, commentary, and dissent.
incusblack // April 9, 2009 at 7:51 am
I’m a Christian and I did not vote for Obama, but get real; there was no contradiction in acknowledging that, while the citizens of the U.S. are predominantly Christian, our nation itself is a composite of many different beliefs by people who are bound together around a common set of ideals. As for the founding fathers, they were each individuals: Washington was a Theistic spiritualist, and Jefferson was a rationalist who disavowed supernaturalism, but Adams and many others were devout Christians by any standards. That being said, they went out of their way to, while praying for God’s blessing, to respect individual freedom in this matter. The one thing I like about Obama is his attempt to charm the international community. We don’t want to pander, but we do want populations who will not vote in antagonistic regimes every chance they get. We need to stop being so paternalistic with the rest of the world and clearly evaluate what is in our national interest; our mindless meddling often does more harm than good.
Christopher di Spirito // April 9, 2009 at 7:54 am
I don’t understand the confusion over President Obama’s remarks in Turkey? He was speaking to a predominately Islamic audience and he wanted to stress to the Turks (and the rest of the 1.5 billion Islamic believers in the world) that the USA is a diverse nation of many different religious views. Some Americans are in fact Christian, but many are Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, and yes, even atheist and, it’s OK. We live together, side-by-side, respecting our differences. In the USA, we don’t judge people who hold views that are different from our own and we don’t murder them. This is a profoundly powerful message to send to the world’s 1.5 billion Islamics and as an American, I am delighted President Obama said what he said while in Turkey.
Ed Darrell // April 9, 2009 at 8:12 am
Historically, the U.S. became considered “a mighty nation” specifically because it was not a “Christian nation” especially with regard to dealing with a group of terrorists of Islamic origins, the Barbary Pirates.
Obama’s right. Get over it.
Ed Darrell // April 9, 2009 at 8:17 am
Franklin and Paine were not Christian, nor were the Jews who financed South Carolina in the war and during the convention in Philadelphia. Washington was a highly unorthodox Christian if at all (he attended services, but refused communion for most of his adult life); Jefferson was thought to be atheist by voters when he was elected in 1800. John Adams switched to Unitarian, and John Quincy Adams followed.
As the Treaty of Tripoli said, negotiated by Washington’s administration, signed by Adams and passed unanimously by the Senate, the U.S. is “in no way a Christian nation.”
It’s the official policy of the U.S., and was so in treaty law from 1786 (prior to the Constitution) onward, through several treaties.
Obama appears to know his history better than most of us.
Jack Hardy // April 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Nothing this president does surprises me. Mr. Obama is the most tone deaf president in our lifetime. It’s interesting the nuveax historians want to say the US was not founded by Christians, but they’re wrong. Drive around Washington DC and the evidence is all over the capitol and in federal buildings everywhere. Christian symbols abound. The US is not and was not founded as a Theocracy. However, the US is predominately populated by Christians. Christians have overwhelmingly supported the idea of allowing divergent religions practice in this country. What other religion is as tolerent of other religions as Christianity? None. In addition, the American Christian is the best friend the Jewish people have in the world. To delcare the US as a non Christian nation on Easter week borders on stupid. Officially, we are not a Theocracy. Whether Christian haters like it or not we are a nation predominately Christian, Obama or no.
onemom // April 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Thanks Jack, you stated that beautifully.
Ed Darrell // April 9, 2009 at 2:52 pm
That’s not what any historian is saying. In reaction to the bizarre claim that there is a Sharia-like Christian component to our Constitution and common law, we point out that the U.S. was founded without religious prejudice, period. I think it takes real animosity to draw a sterner conclusion from the fact that we are a religiously diverse and religiously tolerant nation, by design.
Balderdash. Name ten. There are thousands of memorials and monuments. Overtly Christian symbols may number a dozen on a good day. But the total is probably lower.
Precisely. The calls to make the U.S. a theocracy, by D. James Kennedy, Rushdooney and others, are contrary to U.S. history and tradition.
Buddhism. Hinduism. Native American faiths. Judaism.
None. In addition, the American Christian is the best friend the Jewish people have in the world. To delcare the US as a non Christian nation on Easter week borders on stupid.
No such declaration. An observation, to nations who have felt the call for Christian hegemony from the previous administration, that the people of the U.S. have no official religion, and are religiously tolerant. Don’t make more out of what was said than what was said.
Obama being our Christian president — did you see what Obama actually said?
csmajik // April 9, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I think it just shows how he will say and do anything he is told by his party or to look cool. I mean in one breath to say we are a Christian nation and then to say we are not. Which is it???
Raymond V Banner // April 9, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I add my thanks to Jack Hardy’s comments (post #24). In an earlier post I agreed that the United States was not and had not been a Christian nation in the full sense of the meaning of Christian faith. But it has been from early colonial days onward predominantly Christian in profession and Christianity has undergirded many of the benefits we have enjoyed as a nation. There is no heaven or Christian utopia in this world. But the various forms of seculalrist and anti-Christian utopias that have been attempted in history have created a lot of suffering and have not allowed the freedom that we have enjoyed in this nation.
Ed Darrell // April 9, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Check out what Jefferson said:
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/jefferson-on-religious-freedom/
onemom // April 9, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Ed – did you read my post? I said the intention was for religious freedom, not just Christian freedom.
I get the feeling that a lot of people didn’t read the entire post, because my point was to not chastise the President, but to establish that what he said is irrelevant because being a Christian or not is not determined by our government, but by each individual person’s choice to believe or not. When I first heard his statement, I surmised that would be the kind of thing that would cause the religious leaders in this country to go into an uproar and that I didn’t think that would be the correct response. This was hardly a post about the founding fathers.
j a higginbotham // April 9, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I think Jack Hardy, in a way, got it right.
What I interpret Obama’s statements to mean is:
The majority of the people living in the United States are Christian but our government itself is not Christian (it is not a theocracy). There is no inconsistency between the two statements Obama made.
As onemom has pointed out, the US was founded on the idea of religious tolerance. Our laws are not based on the 10 Commandments or the Bible but on ideas which existed even before Christianity began. That we are not a nation based on Christianity obviously upsets many of those commenting here.
I think we should be renewing our efforts to keep this a non-theocracy. For example, what the Texas board of education has done to physics and biology is to subvert science to religion.
jah
Nick Kelsier // April 9, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I don’t know Larry. Could it be just that he is acknowledging the fact that…wait for it…not everyone who lives in the United States is Christian?
And as for you, NewCre, I wish I had time to tear apart what you said piece by piece but right now I don’t. So I’ll leave it at this. If you feel sorry for this nation then you are free to leave it.
Because, brother Christian of mine, let me point out some facts you’re ignoring. As you claim this country is becoming less Christian. And you seem to think that will lead to bad things. Well when this country was vastly and predominantly Christian we had such “niceties” as slavery and treating women as little more than property. Oh and lets also not forget the near genocide of the Native Americans that happened. As well as several riots that occurred when groups of some Christians tried violating the rights of non-Christians and indeed other Christians by force feeding their kids bible instruction in the public schools.
Sorry, if that is what happened when this “was a Christian country” this Christian will pass. I’ll take the morality this country holds now over the supposed morality that this country once had thank you.
Jack..what exact Christian symbols are you referring to when you talk about D.C.?
And as for you, Raymond, it is because this is a secular nation that we Christians enjoy such freedom. Try looking up the definition of “secular” sometime. It doesn’t mean “anti-religion” or even “anti-Christian.”
Because I find it amusing that you’re ignoring all the suffering that various countries claiming to be Christian countries have created in this world over history’s time.
Nick Kelsier // April 9, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Jack writes:None. In addition, the American Christian is the best friend the Jewish people have in the world. To delcare the US as a non Christian nation on Easter week borders on stupid.
Oh really? Would you be counting the Christians in America who support the Jews and Israel because they want to trigger the Apocalypse in which they believe that two-thirds of the world’s Jews will die and the other third will convert to Christianity as actual supporters of Jews and Israel?
Because I’m not entirely sure that actually counts as “support.”
kevintracy // April 10, 2009 at 1:25 am
Did you know when you wrote this that you were going to get so many comments?
onemom // April 10, 2009 at 1:33 am
Kevin – nope. Mostly I just wanted to throw in my two cents before the FRC and other groups decided to be outraged by what President Obama said. I do feel like several people have only read the headline or the one tiny reference to the founding fathers and didn’t get the premise of the post.
Dominique // April 10, 2009 at 7:28 am
Holy Cow….You obviously hit a nerve with this post!
wickle // April 10, 2009 at 11:02 am
Ummm … wow.
I have nothing to add, Kerry, but … wow.
onemom // April 10, 2009 at 11:10 am
Wickle – what’s the “wow” for? The nerve I hit with this post (as suggested by Dominique)?
wickle // April 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Exactly. This apparently hit quite a nerve, and a lot of people apparently don’t read past the title.
onemom // April 10, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Well, I think a lot of people look for one key word or phrase that they like to rant about even if it has next to nothing to do with the full context of the post. It was unexpected to be sure.
Ed Darrell // April 11, 2009 at 5:02 am
Your post is pretty good, on policy, on point. I was responding to some of the comments. Regret that was not more clear.
kay :) // April 12, 2009 at 6:11 pm
I can’t believe i actually liked Obama. This nation is going downhill real fast and this doesn’t help. America is a Christian country no matter what Obama says.
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