Posted by: onemom on: August 25, 2008
Most likely you have heard what House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi had to say about the beginning of life being irrelevant in relation to a woman’s right to decide to kill her baby. There have been many comments on this issue here on this blog and across the blogosphere.
I did a little searching today and I found this interview from 2003 with the Catholic Reporter online, in which Pelosi describes that she worries about what week will be the time the Catholic Church says she can’t have communion (why has that not happened already?), but says she’s on the road so much that she gets communion by being at different churches most of the time, so she’s a moving target. Meaning what? The Catholic Church doesn’t know who Nancy Pelosi is or that she is a pro-abort? Here’s that portion of the interview (again, this is from 2003):
Q: Is it more difficult today to be a pro-choice Catholic then it was, say, ten years ago?
A: It’s about the same. Now when I traveled across the country when I was campaigning for candidates this last time, when I was in another city on a Sunday, I would try to find a Catholic church nearby. I heard some of the sermons in some of the churches down south, so I understand what some of our colleagues undergo in the church — it was difficult. We’ve had those sermons in California, but a little more subtlety than I was hearing down south. It gave me a better understanding of what some of my colleagues are going through.
I have never in my district in California, in my archdiocese…if I was going to [be allowed to] receive communion; I never knew if this was the day it would be withheld. And that’s a hard way to go to church. Fortunately, I’m invited — I have a big family — I go to a lot of weddings, I’m in a different church every week. I’m a moving target. I travel, so I’m not exactly a target in terms of always being in the same church, although I go to St. Vincent DePaul, (San Francisco) which is my neighborhood parish.
In addition to that, on many occasions the archdiocese has told the nuns that I couldn’t be the speaker at some event. And that’s hurtful because we have so much in common. But it’s the decision the church has made.
National Catholic Reporter, Posted January 22, 2003
Just a couple of comments from me. First, she says “I heard some of the sermons in some of the churches down south, so I understand what some of our colleagues undergo in the church” … is she trying to say that it’s really hard that she and her other pro-abort, catholic politicians are being persecuted within the Catholic Church? Second, she references that she apparently is able to get communion in the Catholic Church by being in different churches so much they can’t catch her. Third, she’s “hurt” because the archdiocese won’t let the nuns use her as a speaker at church events. Well Madame Speaker, I’d reach out and feel your pain, but I just can’t get beyond the grief and anguish I feel for the millions of babies that have died because of pro-aborts such as yourself.
I found it interesting that on the website of her parish in San Francisco – St. Vincent de Paul - they have a link to a website called Faithful Citizenship: A Catholic Call to Political Responsibility. On that website is a link to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Statement on Catholics in Political Life. Following is just a small portion of the statement:
It is the teaching of the Catholic Church from the very beginning, founded on her understanding of her Lord’s own witness to the sacredness of human life, that the killing of an unborn child is always intrinsically evil and can never be justified. If those who perform an abortion and those who cooperate willingly in the action are fully aware of the objective evil of what they do, they are guilty of grave sin and thereby separate themselves from God’s grace. This is the constant and received teaching of the Church. It is, as well, the conviction of many other people of good will.To make such intrinsically evil actions legal is itself wrong. This is the point most recently highlighted in official Catholic teaching. The legal system as such can be said to cooperate in evil when it fails to protect the lives of those who have no protection except the law.(further down the statement):The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions. We commit ourselves to maintain communication with public officials who make decisions every day that touch issues of human life and dignity.
The Eucharist is the source and summit of Catholic life. Therefore, like every Catholic generation before us, we must be guided by the words of St. Paul, “Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the Body and Blood of the Lord” (1 Cor 11:27). This means that all must examine their consciences as to their worthiness to receive the Body and Blood of our Lord. This examination includes fidelity to the moral teaching of the Church in personal and public life.
Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Meet the Press are flooding the blogosphere, but I’ve not heard any mention in the mainstream media. If you’ve seen or heard anything, let me know. In the meantime, we need to pray for our country and for Nancy Pelosi, because honestly, I have never heard her say anything more frightening than what she said on Meet the Press.
OneMom
Clearly, Nancy Pelosi is no longer Catholic. Her pro-abortion stance has excommunicated her latae sententiae (automatically). It is also clear that she does not have an informed conscience, or she would know that while she advocates abortion she is debarred from receiving holy Communion. She should refrain from receiving this sacrament until she changes her stance (repents and seeks absolution). The Catholic Church teaches that abortion is a grave sin — it is one of the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance (willful murder) — and to receive the sacrament while in this state, compounds it and it becomes a sacrilege. A well-educated person such as Pelosi is this clueless?
I read an article a year ago about a lesbian Catholic couple and how they were denied communion. It struck me when I read the reason why they were denied:
“If all this stuff hadn’t hit the newspaper, it wouldn’t have been any different than before — nobody would have known about it,” said the couple’s parish priest at St. Matthew’s, the Rev. Cliff Jacobson. “The sin is one thing. It’s a very different thing to go public with that sin.”
It seems that they were denied not because they were acting contrary to stated Catholic beliefs, but because they made a public spectacle of it (a story ran in the paper about them writing a letter of protest to the Wyoming legislature). Surely the priest new they were a couple before this was in the paper. They didn’t seem to hide their relationship.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17971252/
Nancy Pelosi sounds like a “social Catholic”. By that I mean, she probably had her children sprinkled and attends mass every now and then and knows the Lord’s Prayer, but Jesus has little impact on her daily life. This social religion phenomenon is wide spread through Protestant, Catholics, Jews, etc. in America. You could probably find Baptists that believe homosexual marriage is fine even though their church teaches against it. You could probably find Seveth Day Adventists that believe in molecules-to-man evolution even though their church teaches against it. The point being just because you claim to be a certain religion or denomination doesn’t mean you whole-heartedly accept everything taught by your leaders. Heck, it doesn’t even mean that God or His Word has any life changing impact on you. Claiming a label doesn’t prove anything.
[...] to me that if there was ever a person that should be ex-communicated, it would be Nancy Pelosi. Even she has said she wonders which week the church will refuse her communion for her position, and yet even the Pope [...]
August 25, 2008 at 11:52 pm
You know I agree with you, OneMom. But, I think ‘persecuted’ is the wrong choice of words. Nancy Pelosi has chosen to be out of communion with the Church. It is her decision to not be worthy of receiving communion.
It is not something the Church forces on her. By being pro-abortion, she selects her own rebuke.